Showing posts with label neal. Show all posts
Showing posts with label neal. Show all posts

Sunday, December 8, 2013

Fool Me Twice

So there were some ugly incidents this weekend in Pens-Bruins game.  I have no love lost for either team.  Boston have several guys that rub me the wrong way; Marchand is a irritating douche (pardon my language), Lucic takes liberties, and no one ever accused Chara of being an angel.  On the other side, while Matt Cooke has departed (a favorite of mine), for my money, Malkin is one of the biggest weasels in the league, and Neal seems to be willing to stoop quite low.

When 2 jerks meet, bad things happen.

Orpik started things out with a hit that seems borderline to me.

It needs to be said Orpik didn't leave his feet or commit charging, and that the hit was basically shoulder-to-shoulder.  What makes it borderline is the Eriksson never really played the puck, but Orpik had him lined up and he looked like an EASHL player who says "screw it, I've got him lined up, I'm laying him out anyway."  Immediately after, Thornton, tried to start something with Orpik, but got nowhere with that effort.

Later, Crosby tripped up Marchand, and Neal delivered a fly-by knee to the head.

The video is pretty damning, with Neal clearly leaning the shin and shoulder out when he could've easily avoided him, and then not looking back after, which is what you do after an accident.  After the game, Neal made some half-hearted denials that it wasn't intentional, and said "I guess [I need] to get my knee out of the way."

Lastly, Thornton ran down Orpik from across the ice, threw him down to ice, and got in 2 quick shots to the jaw.  The punches knocked Orpik out.  Thornton will be suspended, as there's little defense for his dogged pursuit of instigating with Orpik.  I am surprised the quick punch knocked out Orpik so completely, but the whole thing feels a little bit like Marty McSorley lite, chasing down an opposing player and dangerously trying to start a scrap.

But getting back to the Neal hit, this isn't the first time Neal has been in the same position.  Flyers fans should remember this one (specifically the Couturier part);

At the time, the NHL was "willing to accept Neal's assertion" that it was an "unintended collision" (@0:30 of the video).  It struck me as a ludicrous defense, and I wrote at the time he should've been suspended.

Now can we be clear about Neal's tricks?  Suspend this guy.

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice...

Tuesday, April 17, 2012

A Simple Fix for NHL Suspensions

People are pretty irate about this week's Shanabans, and I think it reflects a pretty simple disconnect in the NHL's "supplementary discipline" system.

First let me start by saying I think this year's regime is a big improvement from last season.  The NHL wheel-of-justice was unpredictable and opaque last season.  Under Shanahan this year, that has been greatly improved.

This year the NHL has been doling out justice under a pretty clear test.  There are several factors that dictate a decision on whether a player should be suspended, and for how long:

1) Was the action per se illegal?  Was it a charge, elbow, etc...

2) Does the victim of the play bear any responsibility?  Did he make a last minute move that the checker did not anticipate, worsening the risk on the play?

3) Is the aggressor a repeat offender?

4) Did the victim suffer an injury?

[5) Was either player a "star"?  This is more of an unspoken factor.]

Most of these factors are good.  What is really riling people up is the 4th factor--resulting injury.  There are A LOT of fans that think it shouldn't be a factor at all (myself included).  Even worse, the NHL seems to put quite a bit of weight on this factor when determining suspension length.  As a result, on plays that seemed to lack intent but result in an injury, the NHL hands down significant ban, but on plays that looked ridiculously dirty but resulted in no injury, the punishment is light or non-existent.

The best solutions are the simplest.  Therefore, to improve the system, I say the NHL should merely eliminate or greatly reduce the weight placed on the 4th factor, and a new factor in the test, malicious intent.

Malicious intent is what fans are getting caught-up on in reviewing plays.  The natural reaction of fans is to say "that was so dirty, just a blatant attempt to injure."  It's perverse that fans should, on the one hand, feel relief that their player didn't get hurt, but must resign themselves to fact that the culprit on the other team will be getting off light for the same reason.

I suspect the NHL has resisted using intent in the past because it is inherently subjective.  No player is going to admit after the fact that he was simply looking to hurt somebody.  That should not prevent the NHL from judging intent.  Forgive me for the lawyer-speak, but that is my trade by day, but there are several indicia of intent that the NHL can refer to to judge intent.

Indicia of intent would be things like relation to any valid hockey purpose, history between the players/teams, actions preceding the play, and time and score of game.

Take some recent examples.  Hagelin gets three games because he gets his elbow up on Alfedsson in a tight game, causing injury to one Ottawa's stars.  Under the above test, a 3 game suspension is not unreasonable.  However, decreasing emphasis on the injury to Alfredsson and weighing Hagelin's intent, you get a different result.  Hagelin appears to be making a hockey play, but he illegally got his elbows up.  He has to answer for that, but malicious intent seems to be absent based on the circumstances.  Now we're talking a 1-game suspension.

On the other hand, you have James Neal.  After the game and series is seemingly out of reach, Neal throws a blatantly illegal check on Couturier, which is both interference for being late, and a charge for launching himself to hit Couturier high.  On the ensuing shift, he stalks Giroux and hits him high as well, another illegal check.  Neal was not penalized, and it appears no injuries were picked up.  Neal also scored 40 goals this season and scored 2 nice goals in the same game.  Under the old test, lots of factors are in Neal's favor.  Weighing intent however, his hit on Couturier had no hockey purpose whatsoever, and the fact that he makes another illegal and dangerous check to Giroux just moments later is powerful evidence of intent.  We're waiting for Neal's supplementary discipline ruling today, but it could be anything.  Under my regime, we're talking at least 3 games for his undeniable intent to throw dirty hits.

Judging intent is difficult, but the NHL has to step up.  As the NHL legislates on-the-ice justice out of the game, they are placing upon itself the responsibility to implement an effective system of justice.  Based on the dirty hits thus far in the playoffs, their current system is lacking.  It's okay for the NHL to go through growing pains in the process, but they have to keep moving and evolve the system.  In the old days of street justice, players would make a snap judgment about intent, and immediately do something about it.  There's no sense in denying or minimizing the factor of intent, and if the NHL is already implicitly weighing intent, they sure fooled me.  I think you'd create a system that more effectively polices the players and leaves a lot of fans happier.

Sunday, April 15, 2012

Penguins Game 3 Review

"[The Flyers] seem to bring out the worst in me."  
   -Sidney Crosby, 4/2/2012

Turns out that was a bit of an understatement.  Another game, another early Penguins lead, and another collapse by the Penguins.  With each game, the Penguins mental capitulation gets more severe, and today they completely lost their sh*t.

I was a little nervous going into this game, for two reasons.  One, the Flyers were terrible in day games this season, with even worse first periods than usual.  Second, I said after game one that the Pens were being distracted by trying to hit too much and punish the Flyers physically, and I thought being on the road they might tone it down and played more poised hockey.  Neither of those occurred.

The Pens got an early gift goal from Bryzgalov, but then on a PP (for what appeared to be a phantom high sticking call), Giroux made a good play shorthanded, and Fleury put the puck in his own net trying to cover a loose puck.  It was all downhill from there.

As the game wore on, the Penguins became a total embarrassment.  Asham's high crosscheck to Schenn (and punch to the back of the head while Schenn is defenseless and face down on the ice) after Schenn made a perfectly legal check was a disgrace.  Things got worse, as another melee was caused when Crosby was determined to cause trouble, slashing Bryzgalov after he covered the puck, prodding Voracek and hassling Timonen until Giroux finally stepped in and went with him.  Letang beat up Timonen (whom I've never seen fight) then petulantly tried to shoosh the crowd.

Apparently that wasn't enough, as Neal threw 2 dirty hits in the space of a minute after the game was out of reach.  He launched himself at Couturier well after the puck was gone, and quite frankly it would've been an illegal charge even if Cooter still had the puck.  As it was, it was an indefensible hit.  Then he stayed on the ice and hit Giroux in the head with another late hit.  At the ensuing stoppage Crosby was grabbing Hartnell (apparently to keep him away from Neal), and when Hartnell engaged Crosby, Adams starting punching him in the back of the head.  Once the two squared to fight and grappled, Adams starting pulling Hartnell's hair.  What is this?  A lunch time scrap between middle school girls?  Ridiculous.

The NHL would be wise to suspend both Asham and Neal for this nonsense.  For one, their actions merit suspension in any scenario.  Second, the outcome of the series is all but settled, and the NHL should reel it in rather than invite more cheapshots or score-settling in an inconsequential game.

The Penguins should be embarrassed enough by allowing 20 goals in three games to their hated rival, in a series in which they were favored.  I guess that wasn't enough, and they've turned themselves into a farce.  This series was there for the taking for them, with 3-0 and 2-0 leads in the first two games.  The Pens were unable to control their passion and quite frankly lost their cool and their minds trying to prove something, and they psyched themselves out of the series.  Crosby was definitely right with the quote above.

Notes:
-I hope Couturier, Giroux and Schenn are okay after absorbing cheapshots.  Giroux appeared woozy and stumbled after being hit by Neal.

-It shouldn't be lost in the shuffle that Bryzgalov let in 2 terrible goals again today.  He's looking leaky and his 5-hole has been gigantic.  This series is a goalie's nightmare, but this will have to tighten up against the likes of the Rangers and Bruins.

-With 20 goals, the Flyers have scored several more goals than any other series has featured COMBINED between the two teams.